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Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2013.12.27 20:32:00 -
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shimiku wrote:and i want a carrier with 200 drones but i aint getting that either
with drone assist you can have an interceptor with 500.
Its actually true though. I put it down to Iceland not having a real navy or something. CCP not being aware that Battle-cruisers and Battleships are capital ships. That carriers were in the same class of hull as battleships, not 50 times bigger.
But most importantly, that there were hundreds of guns on battleships. And taking off the main guns, lets say the Yamato's 18 inch guns to fit smaller .303 anti-aircraft guns would and is a ludicrous idea.
HRML is a good idea, there should be an option to fit HRLML as point defense but unfortunately CCP's 'vision' is that no combat ship should wtfpwn any other combat ship and isktanking is bad. Both ideas being ludicrous.
Imagine a world where a Spitfire could beat a F22 Raptor (because cost is not a balancing factor) and an Iranian Patrol Boat could speed and sig tank a Moskva. |
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Posted - 2013.12.27 21:01:00 -
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Owen Levanth wrote:
Sorry, but the larger laser weapons would take longer to follow targets and thus would be easier to evade. Like it already is in Eve, strangely enough. Lasers aren't like self-propelled missiles, they have to be fired out of something, which is the weak point here.
Not necessarily true. A bigger ship means bigger mechanical devices. This wouldn't fit on a patrol boat but you could fit multiple on a cruiser or aircraft carrier. More real estate = more point defense = less chance of a smaller ship surviving.
Phalanx tracks like a pro btw. |
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Posted - 2013.12.27 21:16:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Not necessarily true. A bigger ship means bigger mechanical devices. This wouldn't fit on a patrol boat but you could fit multiple on a cruiser or aircraft carrier. More real estate = more point defense = less chance of a smaller ship surviving. Phalanx tracks like a pro btw. All the more reason large ships should get weapon bonuses for fitting small turrets.
Would only be worthwhile fitting them if they didn't cripple the ships main role though. If a battleship could do 1000 dps to another battleship but to kill a frigate required refitting all its guns to small and doing 200 dps why would you?
A balanced system would provide for a battleship sized anti frigate system (like the Phalanx) that could only fit on large ships. So you might have 7 large turrets and 1 Phalanx type system and do 850 dps, losing 15% rather than 80% to deal with frigates.
CCP would never consider it though, they understand that people like the small ship killing big ship thing and are not really that interested in realism. EVE is not and has never been a naval simulator despite borrowing all the classes, terms and so on from naval warfare. |
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Posted - 2013.12.29 10:47:00 -
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Dyphorus wrote:Ever heard of balance?
Balance in what way?
One could say a 500 million isk Battleship caught and killed (albeit slowly) by a 30 million isk frigate is imbalanced.
Another could say its a result of balance.
My personal opinion is its unreasonable to expect to kill the former with the latter alone. Its reasonable for a good amount of the the latter to kill a battleship but they should expect to take some losses.
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Posted - 2013.12.29 11:29:00 -
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Draconigea wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Dyphorus wrote:Ever heard of balance? Balance in what way? One could say a 500 million isk Battleship caught and killed (albeit slowly) by a 30 million isk frigate is imbalanced. Another could say its a result of balance. My personal opinion is its unreasonable to expect to kill the former with the latter alone. Its reasonable for a good amount of the the latter to kill a battleship but they should expect to take some losses. ONE Frigatte can't kill a propper fitted BS....no way.... But think again...what if the BS has anti-frig weapons and can fight everything which is smaller....why use ANYTHING small? No need for support fleets for Titans....they could kill everything by their own.... Ridiculous balacing...
Properly fit for what? I assure you there are some frigs which could and do kill properly fit battleships alone.
Well a super carrier and even regular carrier can fight everything smaller very easily. 25 & 15 warrior IIs or 25 & 15 garde IIs = insta death to any frigs.
So why is everyone not flying around in only SC or regular carrier. |
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Posted - 2013.12.30 02:44:00 -
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Arwen Ariniel wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Star wars? Star trek? any big ship has special turrents to fight and kill small fighters and other such things..... EVEN DEATH STAR.
DEATH STAR, was killed by a fighter...
With the assistance of magical powers. |
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Posted - 2013.12.31 09:51:00 -
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Sadayiel wrote:Quoting some old old Dev statement.
No Ship was ever designed as be a Solopwnmobile.
Which was a completely stupid statement for Oveur to make given the gameplay of EvE. A super is a solopwnmobilee, created after that statement was made btw, yet even a super wouldn't survive a trip through low solo PvP,ing.
A battleship should be a solopwnmobile vs 1 smaller ship. That's how ships sizes are supposed to work. Why would anyone build a 500 million isk battleship (Mega Fitted) ship when a 30 million isk frigate (Ishkur Fitted) can beat it.
Pure stupidity in terms of logic and investment.
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